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This is bbc world news and...talk with stephen sake.
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Last month...save watershed in the politics of malaysia ruling
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national front recorded its worst election results in five decades
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is still in our but seriously weakened my guest today personified the
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our of the ruling party for twenty two years...was malaysia's prime
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minister and one of the most outspoken leaders in the muslim world is critics
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...of a racist and...dictator as retirement mellowed...
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...the muhammed welcome to hard...thank you let's start with that election
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result last month doesn't marked the beginning of the end of malaise
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use ruling party not necessarily unless
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...no...the sake in no-cost see me result in that
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...if a proper...including of course the.
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The...present...living he says see the bob it may
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be possible to bring back the isolation the national...
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In order to become again very strong...
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but you're saying that primus the abdullah...has to be kicked out for the ruling party to
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recover well not so strong as any can step down I
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...down in my time it's about time that he steps down because the
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...of the elections shows clearly that many of the
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formfollow this supporters of from the national plan
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had decided that they will work float for the position even if they
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...didn't like the position devoted for the position to
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send a message to the present the government...primus rubbed
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...says that you have been one of the curses that have brought him down because
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you've been sniping from the sidelines for the last two or three years
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...bb so I don't see why I should not the sizewrong
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...by him...I'm doing.
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Well, today in the first-place the government promises the to.
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To remove corruption and,
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things like that but the government is found to be corrupt
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...tearing your own party apart those that is the problem and that's what many people inside your party
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...the sometimes it may be necessary I told people I'm a
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...find one link being becoming
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a ganglion this a movie now he has said...that
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he will go eventually but is your message to him that he has no time he must go
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...now because he will take time to
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...the party for the next election isn't the truth of what we see
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in malaysia today that the real discontent isn't so much with prime minister
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abdullah it is with the system and the ideology that you
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...used to your country where did system and the
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...been there for the last fifty years it's work very well we had always
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...elections people always supported us and the country has done very
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well doing that fifty years with that system but the indications are and
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the opposition succeeded by saying to the public we no longer
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want this racially defined system inside malaysia and
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that was the ratio definition that
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...the platform upon which you succeeded in running malaysia for twenty two
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years having this wishful thinking on the part of...critics
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by the fact is that a this election result was due to this
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affection on the part of the ruling party supporters with the
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...in addition well let me just...you the words of the new head of
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...state let's not forget these results so five very big and wealthy
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...and go to the opposition the new head of pang statements delimited one
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...he says we want...state administration that is free from
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corruption and cronies...we are hear-hear to build a
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...state for all you didn't build a malaysia for
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...do aidid if you look at molested today everybody
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...enjoying has enjoyed a very good life
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there they have become very prosperous glacier was one of the
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fastest-growing countries in the world and if
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...look at the different basis you can find that they all
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benefit that from that government so it is of course necessarily
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for position patties tool make remarks like they're making it up
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of the let's look at your new economic policy which you pursued for so
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long it favors ethnic malaise in so many different ways from public sector
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...the university places to advantageous acquisition of
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...discounts on housing I don't know
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whether stop there are so many different ways in which you...unequal system
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node this was a policy which was initiated by my previous ss
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ethos necessary to you run it for twenty two years you had ample opportunity to change it
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yes I had ample opportunity to implement in a way that will
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correctly imbalances that existed in listener sensibilities
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...and unless these imbalances corrected there's bound to be
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...ratio...as happened in nineteen sixty nine but the point
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is eighty thousand indians, for example,...on the streets protesting lawmen
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...last november because they
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unknown longer prepared to live with the racial?
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Division that you set...a stone why
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now why not during my time the equipped with work quite
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...to demonstrate many of the people disagreed with me demonstrated
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many people who disagree with you I'm afraid ended up in prison...
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hundreds of them how you every and...more...image you were in pro-western press a
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...of...that...make-up these stories and then you take it
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...eds ...the truth is not the truth tell me who are the
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hundreds of people who ended up being presented I'll discuss human rights a little bit later this
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one before we get distracted from this question of racism and...I just want to put
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to this final point and why ibrahim says that he is going to portion of course
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...your...friend who became your political enemy...going to porsche
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...color-blind malaysia where affirmative
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action is open to all who need help well this opportunism
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...now the...out of the government he was in the...for a long-time he never made any
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...he never did anything to what we serve american play when
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you lock them up well that was not be the reason why he was
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...he was
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...this of salami was accused of abuse of our...treading
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...nine months and he was defended by nine lawyers and he was
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found guilty...charges trumped up charges says not just human rights
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watch amnesty international but I've been looking through the record the canadian government the white
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house the international commission of jurists all of them expressed grave and deep
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concern with the way in which your judicial system treated...library
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...of frequencies sul butnow I'm not saying I'm just quoting you'll be going do
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Is that I caught these countries these people the same
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...address that people without the law and detain
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them in guantanamo bay and even in britain here us people
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and detain them without anysanction by law to design-related
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ok that you did it for twenty two years we did...the laws of the country?
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But, it's not the way that...seniors
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...the laws...by the colonial times of the internal security act emergency
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...sieges you feel satisfied due to tell me that was entirely legitimate
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...what we find that this tuition that can t is a very
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...and...very likely that they will be erasure
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...unless we
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...such people who are promoting racial hatred from talking about
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it but put it this way...automatically you've had several years out of our now to
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consider your record and what you did I wonder whether you are now ready to
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say that you regret what you did to anwar ibrahim
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wage with every grid he was...under the law also
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...country you...in this...of the country and your sentence...
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caught if he was not wrong I don't thing no matter what you think about
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what you judiciary I don't thing he would have been sentence to present advantage
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your reputation...and well that's something that I...the except you may also
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find it comes back to haunt you anwar ibrahim of course is now leading the opposition
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coalition we are led to believe that there are certain mp in the ruling
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party may defect to in which casey could very soon be running the government and he's made it
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plain that he wants to have you on sir?

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Former Prime Minister of Malaysia Dr Mahathir Mohamad told Stephen Sackur on Hardtalk that Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi must step down.
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